Permatricity - Reversing Climate Change 


Orbital Economics    G20 METHANE  Part 3   Author John Robertson      (email robertsonj32@tiscali.co.uk )    
Site Map   http://permatricity.com/Permatricity_Site_Map.html
The Gordon Brown Government has chanced to create a wonderful era for all - but they do not know what they have done, nor do the Conservatives, the Liberal Democrats and the BBC understand that the UK economy can be fixed in a day.    The HM Treasury, Budget Strategy & Tax Team emailed me on July 2, 2009 with a gross misunderstanding of the gross turnover of money.   I replied that a cascading tax at less than 1% is nothing like a 15% VAT transaction tax.    

The BBC only needs to interview me to start a public debate.  Nothing prevents the Government of the day to bring the UK forward for:   
  • New fair and efficient Cascade Taxation - abolish Income Tax and VAT
  • More money for the NHS
  • Low cost loans to business and home buyers
  • Increased pensions for retirement and for the sick
  • Full employment for school and university leavers and for all others.
The BBC is funded from taxation yet will not tell the public of a better taxation and banking system.  TV shows the same old faces, with the same old jargon, repeating the gloom and doom month after month.  TV license fees could easily be abolished if the BBC was funded from 1 Line Tax.  What is wrong with you guys?   Have you all been educated in the same gloom and doom University?  Read the email to Chancellor Darling, and the resultant exchange of emails:   
Name: John William Robertson
Email: robertsonj32@tiscali.co.uk
Sent: 19 June 2009 16:33
Subject: sick and the old become the engines for the economy

Dear Rt Hon Alistair Darling,

Chancellor, I see you as my best chance to put my 1 Line Tax before the
general public.  There is no need to have a recession, nor have a sixth
of young people without jobs, nor frighten people with talks of
restricting the NHS Budget.

What I am seeking is a forum.  It would not matter if you opposed my
idea, provided we were debating publicly.

You have the public image, I have an Australian accent and an idea that
I tested in Australian politics and media before running out of money
last century.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown has chanced to create the ideal economy for
my idea to be used.   The trouble is, you do not realize the great good
you have done.   This is my time.  If you and I debated on TV and you
opposed 1 Line Tax, I would win the debate.  I am ready to debate a
whole audience.

1 Line Tax throws away all existing tax laws and replaces all the tax
books with 1 Line Tax: 

'Tax the gross turnover of money at much less than 1%'

Everyone pays, from the Queen down to the poorest pensioner.  With fair
and efficient tax collecting and no exceptions, the Treasury would have
surplus money to lend to banks at 1%; Inland Revenue is obsolete and
would be closed down.

You have time to open your mind before the General Election and make it
Law.  You can easily win the next election.  So too can the
Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats easily win.   Whoever dares
wins.

If you are interested we could meet in London at a day's notice.

Yours sincerely,

John Robertson

REPLY
-----Original Message-----
From: DARLING, Alistair [mailto:DarlingA@parliament.uk]
Sent: 22 June 2009 16:28
To: Enquiries, CEU
Subject: FW: [FindYourMP] sick and the old become the engines for the
economy

Enquiries, CEU wrote:

Dear Mr Robertson,

Thank you for your email of 22 June regarding a 'one line tax'. I have been asked to reply.
The Government believes in a fair and progressive tax system, which encourages work, saving and investment, keeps pace with developments in business practice and the global economy and raises sufficient revenues to fund the Govt's objective to build world-class public services.  The Govt keep all taxes under review and any changes to taxation are considered as part of the normal Budget process and in the context of the current economic climate
In your email you suggest that the Government tax the gross turnover of money at less than 1 per cent - this is essentially a transaction tax, which the UK already has in the form of VAT. In 2009-10 VAT is currently charged at 15 per cent (the lowest standard rate permitted under current EU agreements)  and is projected to raise around £64 billion of the £496 billion of total Government receipts. Therefore it is unlikely that your proposal would sufficiently fund Government expenditure.

The 2008 Pre-Budget Report announced a fiscal stimulus package worth £20 billion which included a temporary reduction in the rate of VAT from 17.5 per cent to 15 per cent and the bringing forward of £3 billion of capital spending to support economic activity. A reduction in VAT was chosen as the main lever for the fiscal stimulus as this could be implemented rapidly, impacts immediately on the purchasing decisions of firms and individuals to boost spending, and is reversible.
The Government has put in place plans to deliver sound public finances over the longer term. It is important that there is an appropriate 'mix' of taxes from a number of sources - both direct and indirect.  The Government believes that the present mix of taxation allows revenue to be sourced from a broad range of tax bases.
I hope you find this email helpful.

C Mullen
Budget Strategy & Tax Team
HM Treasury


MY RESPONSE
Sent: 03/07/2009 01:22
C Mullen
Budget Strategy & Tax Team
HM Treasury

Thank you for writing.  Taxing the gross turnover of money is a cascading tax and nothing like a transaction tax.   VAT is obsolete and should be repealed along with income tax and all other existing taxes.

Less than 1% on all money transaction credits and debits would collect more tax than the present ridiculously old fashioned and unfair taxes that were dreamed up a century ago.
Your proposed mix of tax cannot possibly solve the present economic mess.  1 Line Tax will give the public hope as soon as you start debating it and will fix the economy as soon as it is used.

The Government has fluked to have created the foundation for a wonderful economy.  Do some figures.  Look at the total turnover of money and you will see that 1% on all debits and all credits would be too much tax.  Just set the bank and finance houses computers to send the less than 1% tax straight to the Treasury and the Nation will be twice as efficient.  Tax will be collected fairly, efficiently and with no more paperwork.  No exceptions.
If the EU prevents the UK from putting in a superior tax, withdraw from the EU or better still, have the EU put in the Superior 1 Line tax.  The whole world should use 1 line Tax.

The way to stimulate the economy is to double pensions.  The old and the sick will spread the money around evenly and with cascading tax, the Treasury gets all the pension money back.
The Brown Government is in a perfect position to act before a General Election.

If you can find any flaw in my proposal please tell me; some very bright people have already looked at this and no fatal flaws have been identified.

I live at Clacton-on-sea  an can easily consult with your team at about a day's notice - or please email your further thoughts.

Sincerely
John Robertson
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On Sunday September 21, 2008, at 9 pm, Dr Ian Stewart revealed on the BBC, in 'The Climate Wars', that scientific evidence from Greenland ice core samples prove that in the past, Earth has gone from cold to hot in 1 to 3 years - present Climate Change Models are wrong.  The change will be sudden,  as in previous times.

Ex-President Bush and Ex-Australian Prime Minister, John Howard, refused to sign up to Kyoto!   The new Oz PM, Kevin Rudd, promptly signed.

The Americans have caused much of the climate and banking troubles, but it is also the Americans who took the ice core samples.  Also, the Russians and the Americans measured the thinning of the Arctic Ice -  and now the British have revealed this vital information.

We may be out of time!  Earth tilting on its axis has happened before.  Scientists should study Stonehenge, England, built by the Ancients to mark the position of the Sun.   Earth tilt can be accurately recorded in a physical way.    

To avoid the risk, the fast way to stop climate change is to extract methane (natural gas) from permafrost and from deep oceans, to operate power stations, cars, trucks and other engines.  This will reduce the quantity of Methane that will escape into the atmosphere.   Methane is a 20 X more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2.   To increase the mining and gas distribution network, shipping and trucking containers can be used to supplement pipelines and tankers. 

A patent search produced a short list of 39 patents from a total of 23,663 possible patents - so there is much interest in container transporting of fluids.   Permatricity Limited will get involved. 

A great many residential and business Wind Management Structures will remain to provide energy when the methane is depleted.

Nuclear Power Stations are obsolete and take too long to build (and de-commission). Using up the Methane is much more sensible.

email robertsonj32@tiscali.co.uk

 

In 2008, the price of oil went through the roof.  Hydrogen has no infrastructure. 
New International Patent Application No.PCT/GB2008/050647 - Wind Management Structure is an immediate answer - wind and solar energy are world-wide.

 Greedy people have busted giant banks and they pushed oil, gas and electricity prices too high  - they have opened the door   for us.  It is time for us to compete -  with Permatricity -  the hydrogen  /  methane  /   electricity  /  financing  economy!

This is where the big potential is for us to be the next group of millionaires - you can be one too!
        

My ideas come from a background of Small Business so they are tailored for sole traders, small corporations, partnerships, co-operatives and local governments. 

The Promotion

This website was constructed to win Richard Branson's US$25M prize to better Earth over the next 1000 years; so some is futuristic.  But now it is for NOW; for example:  'Walk to work, Travel for enjoyment and knowledge.' - walk to your computer or Internet Cafe and spend some time studying this website, if nothing appeals to you, email me with constructive  comments.  I will reply.

Imagine cars, trucks, trains, boats and ships - all with wind management structures, permafrost methane and solar energy cells - generating electricity and producing hydrogen to immediately stop global warming as they move - that would make a good movie!




His Excellency Rear Admiral Kevin Scarce AC CSC RANR
Governor of South Australia

Your Excellency,

John Robertson here.  South Australia remains a failed State.  I could return and install Orbital Economics and Effective Law Reform in 1 week, to make SA the World Leader. 

I succeed.  One of my Export Consulting clients, Murray Willis, became very wealthy.  Google for: Murray Willis opal - the first of many entries is: The Opal will change your Life

I invite the South Australian Government to become my client.   I prefer a profit sharing arrangement based on results.

SA is my Home State and I would like to live there again and not merely visit.  Click http://govsvision.com/Political_Party_Funding.html to get an idea of the uncivilised SA activity that has caused me to be repulsed. 

However, I now  see how SA and World economics can be instantly corrected.  I know that there are people in the SA Treasury who could understand my website in a day and have Orbital Economics ready for use in a week. 

Likewise, The Attorney General's Department could understand and install Effective Law Reform in a week.   

To commence, any doubts could be sorted out by email.   

Yours sincerely

John Robertson
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John Robertson's Orbital Economics

January 17, 2009

'Round Robins' can solve the Global Recession; the round-robin principle is known from other fields, where each person takes an equal share of something in turn.  I will share my regular monthly old age pension with every person on Earth!   To do this I have created Permatricity Limited - we will all be richer. 

The same money will orbit and orbit and orbit ....... many, many times ----- to give us the butterfly effect if the United Nations quickly studied this orbital proposal the Global Recession would quickly end - the present JM Keynes model is wrong - just follow world news.
Orbital Economics 

I suggest that Tendring, Essex, UK, or any other Local Council, could immediately use a cascading tax to provide full employment in their area. 

By comparison, it will probably take years to have Central Government repeal VAT and allow Local councils to have a Local Sales Tax (or similar).   In any event, Sales Tax is obsolete.

Tendring could simply continue to get its 75% of tax money from the Central Government and change its own 25% Local Council Tax to a cascading tax.

The Money Turnover Cascading Tax would be about 0.2% on all bank account credits and on all bank account debits.  That tax rate could be changed any day - once the new cascading tax system is producing real figures to provide the guide.

All existing Local Government Taxes would be abolished.

The guidelines set down by John Maynard Keynes - where economies are controlled by Central Banks adjusting interest rates up or down - has given the World the present financial crisis.  A good reference is at http://www.rba.gov.au/Speeches/2008/sp_gov_091208.html where, on December 8, 2008, the Governor of the Australian Reserve Bank describes the world economy as 'interesting'.  An earlier Reserve Bank speech, on August 28, 2007, sets out how the Central Banks were operating.  It is now clear that their model has been proven wrong. http://www.rba.gov.au/Speeches/2007/sp_dg_280807.html

The example for Tendring immediately shows that Income Tax, Value Added Tax and all other central government taxes should be repealed and replaced with my Money Solution cascading tax.  Parliament could quickly evaluate my proposals if they choose to. 

Assuming Parliament does not discover a fatal flaw, this exciting and encouraging policy can be put to the British and World Public.  

Banking

Correct banking procedures are safe and profitable; the present global banking debacle results from greedy people taking money from fictitious profits - and even from losses!  Permatricity Limited will be an ethical bank, working to best practice rules and  specialising in lending to home buyers and businesses involved in premium green electricity projects.  Share Traders and FOREX Traders are invited to join me in setting up Permatricity Bank or to start their own banks.

Electricity Generation

Ample premium green electricity can already be produced, no new technology is needed.  Fossil fuel powered automobiles are obsolete.  Existing automobile factories should have already converted to making electric and permafrost methane vehicles and to producing all manner of wind turbines.   The oil industry has only made a few people super-rich and the general population poorer; it should be phased out.

Changing from an oil based economy to a premium green economy will provide ample work for the whole world.  Desalinating sea water, permaculture and hydroponics will be the follow-up major projects to provide full employment.




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Orbital Economics

 John Robertson
I have been working on this for many years.  I am not a scientist but I observe and I back my feelings.  I am years in front of those who follow.  The solution is with film makers,  entrepreneurs and sales people.  If you are one, please read all of my web pages.

My Money Solution model uses computers to automatically and fairly collect 1 Line Tax, moment by moment, at no cost to the Governments.  A small surplus is collected and lent to banks; that is the citizens' compulsory savings and retirement fund.  That is all, everything else written here is a suggested means to achieve the desired end result.

The Money Solution is designed for all governments in the world, from the biggest to the smallest.  The practical way to test the Money Solution is for a small government to use it.  For my example, I start at home and use Tendring.  

To increase the money velocity in Tendring, so reducing the overall tax rate, FOREX Traders, Bankers and Share Traders will be encouraged with incentives to work and live in Tendring.  

A multitude of FOREX Traders will be much safer than a few Central Bankers doing their 'interesting' work.  The Tendring incentive could allow for the very high money turnover in FOREX and share trading by setting the rate of tax for electronic 'virtual' transactions at about 100th of the standard rate - .002% instead of .2%

Traders will probably be drawn by this incentive. Bankers will have a great opportunity.  I am going to become a Bank - you can do the same.  I will sell advertising and Permatricity G20 METHANE magazines by accepting promissory notes as well as cash, etc.  Later, Permatricity Limited will sell on promissory notes.  The best outcome is for FOREX Traders and Share Traders, with their skills, to become Virtual Banks - something like eGlobalPay, WebMoney, etc.  This would be a new cutting edge industry.

New Zealand has a record of providing Taxation Rulings for exporters in advance - that example should be followed for all who want the .002% tax rate.

Earth Tilt -
Earth has not tilted but Capitalism has!

October 10 2008.  It can all be fixed today!  All Nations should escape from the 19th and 20th Centuries by scrapping all present taxes. A new, much less than 1% tax, on all financial house debits and credits would be more than enough to pay all Government costs.  The governments would lend their surplus money to the banks at 1% who would lend on in their high gearing way.

To keep it simple there must be NO EXCEPTIONS.  Corporations pay. pensioners pay, charities pay, etc. - Those who evade the much less than 1% tax are jailed.

Imagine, no more tax forms!  The saving to the world economy means we can easily install renewable energy, have more holidays, dine at fine restaurants and in all ways, have a better life. 
October 10 2008.  It can all be fixed today!  All Nations should escape from the 19th and 20th Centuries by scrapping all present taxes. A new, much less than 1% tax, on all financial house debits and credits would be more than enough to pay all Government costs.  The governments would lend their surplus money to the banks at 1% who would lend on in their high gearing way. To keep it simple there must be NO EXCEPTIONS.  Corporations pay. pensioners pay, charities pay, etc. - Those who evade the much less than 1% tax are jailed. Imagine, no more tax forms!  The saving to the world economy means we can easily install renewable energy, have more holidays, dine at fine restaurants and in all ways, have a better life.World Economics is in a mess - It can be fixed in a day!!!  There is no better time than NOW.  You and I can do it.

Advertising Rates for permanent webspace and  Permatricity G20 METHANE Annual
  • 1 line    £ 5
  • 3 lines  £10
  • 7 lines  £20
  • Quarter A5 page £30
  • Half A5 page ......£55
  • Full page (A5) ...£100

The Rt Hon Alistair Darling MP
Dear Treasurer

Below is an extract from http://permatricity.com/ designed to immediately attract capital into banks. 

I have worked on this since 1990 with the final conclusion only being reached on the past week end.   There are now no known flaws.

I am retired and offer to consult freely if I can speak with at least one of your economists to fine tune my Orbital Economics. 

I believe that a public announcement from yourself would then substantially increase the share prices of banks and end present fears.

 Yours Sincerely

John Robertson
Phone is 01255 223181  (but emailing is best).

 From:  John Robertson 
Subject:  would then substantially increase the share prices of banks
    Date:  19/01/2009 23:56
      To:   private.office@hm-treasury.gsi.gov.uk; carswelld@parliament.uk; libdemleader@parliament.uk; andrew.thomas@treasury.gov.au; dominic.bowers@nqe.com
Getting Started  

Big wheels move slowly so to be pragmatic we cannot expect the UN, the UK, Local Governments or any other big organisation to promptly use Orbital Economics.  So let us start with Refugee Camps.  Everything written here could be scaled down to set up Direct Democracy in the locations where people desperately need help.

The Refugee Camp could give Planning Approval for building a New International Patent Application No.PCT/GB2008/050647 - Wind Management Structure installation to enable Permatricity Limited to raise capital and employ staff.   Electricity could be produced anywhere in the World.  With electricity, water can be purified and used.  Food can be grown.  Virtual money can be created.

I am Chairman and the first Managing Director of Permatricity Limited and as soon as possible I will advance to being Consultant.  

The first two Tendring proposals are for Holland-on-Sea and Walton on the Naze sea defences

The Naze is eroding rapidly and threatening the tower and the wildlife. The Naze Protection Society was formed to campaign for erosion controls. The Naze has become popular for school fieldwork into erosion and methods to protect the coast. Protection includes a sea wall, a riprap, groynes and a permeable groyne as well as drainage. Millions of tons of sand have been added to the beach to replenish it and stop the cliff eroding. However, the cliff near Naze Tower is greatly eroded. The cliff is receding fast and within 50 years Naze Tower may have tumbled into the sea like the pill boxes that can be seen on the beach.


This is a wonderful opportunity for sales people, engineers and bankers.
Consulting

To start-up and to create a cash flow, Permatricity Limited will issue shares equal to the cash outlaid for patent and trademark costs and for marketing costs.  In return Permatricity Limited will become the owner of the patent application New International Patent Application No.PCT/GB2008/050647

Sales people, able to present this proposal to Local Councils anywhere in the world, are provided, by way of a membership transfer, with a Clubfreedom Membership valued at US$250, to assist them to travel.  Twenty positions with membership transfers for only US$25 are available.  If the sales person ceases to present this proposal to Local Councils and the general public, the Clubfreedom Membership is to be transferred on to Permatricity Limited for reallocation.

To see what the sales person may receive from Clubfreedom while being a Clubfreedom Member for an outlay of only US$25, click
http://clubfreedom.biz/robertson     

Each Presentation to a Local Council will be on the same format, but be different according to the local geography.   As an example, for Tendring we use Google Earth to put locations on the Permatricity Website with opening suggestions Wind Management Structure and all working notes, plus the cash returns from Clubfreedom, a wholesale international holiday provider. . 

When Planning Approval is obtained, Permatricity will raise the capital to do the job.

Concentrating on the Tendring Example:

It is essential to collect more tax so that surplus money is then lent to the banks in Tendring at 1% for the banks to multiply in their usual way by about 10X and lending to Tendring businesses and home buyers at about 3%.  

This is a Local Resident Savings and Retirement Scheme.

For Retirement AND to encourage more people to live in Tendring, SO INCREASING house values and encouraging new building, Old Age and Sick Pensioners will be paid a 'Tendring Pension' about equal to whatever they receive from Central Government.  University Students who pass their examinations will be paid an Allowance equal to an old age pension.

The old and sick people will spend their extra money, give it away, or bank it, so increasing the money velocity and the cascading tax collections.  University Students will also increase the money velocity and the cascading tax.

Mid-age people will earn money looking after the old people.   More cascading tax!   Local businesses will expand.   More cascading tax!  This is Orbital Economics!

When tax collected is too high, cut the 0.2 / 0.002% tax rate or reduce the Tendring Pension and Student Allowance.

When tax collected is too low, increase the 0.2 / 0.002% tax rate or increase the Tendring Pension/Student Allowance.

Tax avoiders and evaders (including company staff) are barred for life from receiving low cost loans or Tendring Pensions/Student Allowances - they would be very stupid people.   It would be wise for employees to resign from a tax avoiding company rather than risk losing their Tendring loans and pensions/student allowances.

The Tendring Council  would only need to open the public debate to put real joy into New Year Celebrations!

While the whole world wallows in self inflicted recession, Tendring could be having a boom.

If Tendring does not want to do this, then other councils or governments can be first.

Full Employment for Tendring

New businesses for Tendring would be banking, electricity generation and consulting.  Permatricity Limited has been formed to lead the way.

http://fortuneandclassmag.com/?p=247

 

Fraud Alert: HolidaysandCash Pyramid Scheme

Mar 8th, 2009 | By Editor-in-Chief | Category: Business Intelligence, Feature Story


In last week’s edition of this column, we published the outcome of the investigation of an Australian based investigator, Steve who had blown the whistle on the recent resurrection of ClubFreedom, an online pyramid (Ponzi) scheme into Holidays and Cash. As if to put the credibility to the assertion of Steve, the investigator, that operators of these schemes target vulnerable people from 3rd world countries where they use links to churches to validate their unrealistic claims.

Precisely a week after the expose of the Ponzi scheme, we have located one of the offices the new Holidays and Cash scheme now operates from in Nigeria. The office is located at 54 Osolo Way by Aswani Market Isolo and 106 Awolowo Way Ikeja, Lagos State.

The marketers of the scheme while pitch on the promise that members can earn $1,500+ in their first week and have the capacity to grow it to $5000 every week.

The promise of the scheme is another classic Eldorado, it tells of enjoying the vacations you dream of rather than the ones you can afford and creating weekly cash reward with global potential through earning life changing income with no monthly fees and no recurring monthly purchase.

According to Steve, schemes like Holidays and Cash which is a transformation of Club Freedom operate from Australia. He warns that “…as much as they protest, the schemes are pyramid schemes. Although these people operate physically within Australia, the dodgy companies and bank accounts operate outside of Australia for good reason. Their business activities are illegal. In reality, these schemes go through a standard process of start-up, get the money and then disappear into the night.”

Insisting that Club Freedom was remade into Holidays and Cash, Steve asked of what happened to all the money?

“If you believe their claims, Club Freedom made over $50million. There is nothing to be audited and claims by Michael Faust the creator of the scheme that most of the profit went back to the people cannot be proven.”

Steve asks anybody interested in this scheme to cross check before they risk their money on it.

Tags: classic eldorado, clubfreedom, fraud alert, holidaysandcash, Michael Faust, ponzi, ponzi scheme, pyramid scheme

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  1. James April 13th, 2009 2:15 am :

It’s because of people like you that only a select few in this world ever reach their financial goals. Research what a Ponzi and Pyramid is before you write an article like this. Nearly all this sites’s, your most reason stories are from a negative angle.. go figure…

It’s my mission in life to stay away from things that make you feel crap about the world.. what’s the point? We might as well be wrapped in cocoons forever !

  1. Michael Faust May 22nd, 2009 11:38 pm :

Who is Steve? What factual information does he base his comments on? What is his real agenda? What is his credentials? is he someone who simply loves publicity and hides behind a computer posting negative misinformed comments?

Steve….the supposed expert investigator…..has NEVER posted his full name, his credentials, his contact details or any FACTS that substantiate his claims. I know because I have asked STEVE several times to speak to me and have provided my contact details but he NEVER replies or takes up my offer.

He simply looks for another publication or website like this one that posts unsubstantiated comments from supposed experts with NO credentials because it makes good press.

Maybe Steve might be surprised to hear that the Department of Fair Trading in Australia has spoken with me, reviewed Holidays and Cash and found NOTHING that was in breach of any laws. In fact they followed up to ask how we were going!

The Department of Trade and Industry in South Africa has also done an initial review of H&C and found again NOTHING that breaches any laws.

He might also be surprised to hear that H&C is registering a company in South Africa and Nigeria that must comply with ALL laws aimed at supporting our members.

But of course the TRUTH is less news worthy than sensationalism.

And as long as people will love to spread rumours and hide behind a pseudo name on online with NO accountability for their comments the truth will seldom get told.

Hey Steve….call me. My offer still holds….that is if STEVE is your real name.

  1. John Robertson June 1st, 2009 3:32 am :

Hello Michael, John Robertson here from the UK. Thanks for your comment. I am in the process of claiming money back from Halifax and MBNA, my credit card providers under Section 75 of the UK law.

The Halifax asked for emails etc to show there was misrepresentation or breach of contract by IP-ECOMMERCE.COM. This weekend I have been going through the records back to November 2006 to provide proof. Then Clubfreedom came back on the internet! So Clubfreedom still exists!

Then I found your comment.
Michael please read my webpage http://www.permatricity.com/permatricity.html
Steve’s report destroyed my Russian Clubfreedom marketing strategy as my Russian agent is now definitely not interested, but I can switch to the UK market – if you are running a legal business.

I do not really care whether I sell Clubfreedom in the UK (instead of in Russia) or whether I claim damages from Ron Litherland and you for running a pyramid scheme. I just want to do something this week.

When Clubfreedom computers went offline I jumped to the conclusion that they must be a Ponzi scheme then Clubfreedom came back on line. Clubfreedom’s FOREX business is closed so where is the money coming from? It must be from new Memberships. —– Ponzi

This morning I checked for Clubfreedom updates and the last of the weekly updates is dated May 12 2009. So Clubfreedom has closed down!

I will tell you my agenda, I am replying to the Halifax Card Services today to ask them to read my webpage and study your response when it comes. I want proof from you that you and/or Ron Litherland have not been in a Ponzi scheme. You provide that proof and of course I have no claim and my job is then to switch my marketing campaign to the United Kingdom and get on with it. I will be very pleased to do that.

You mentioned Department of Fair Trading in Australia – thanks, I will email them today. You can email me at robertsonj32@tiscali.co.uk or comment here.

Cheers
John

  1. John Robertson June 3rd, 2009 11:09 pm :

Hello Michael
Below is an extract – They are not saying Clubfreedom is illegal so I am not wasting more time; I will start selling in Australia, Russia and UK.
Cheers
John Robertson

Subject:
RE: Online enquiry
From:
“Brisbane OFT”
Date:
Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:55:51 +1000
To:
“John Robertson”

Hi John

Unfortunately the Office of Fair Trading is unable to assist with your
enquiry. You will need to seek independent legal advice to determine if
the scheme is caught by the Pyramid Selling provisions of the Fair
Trading Act 1989. To obtain independent legal advice, you should contact
a private solicitor.

  1. phoebe August 4th, 2009 4:55 am :

yes who is steve, and i agree do some research before writing something like this, i belong to holidays and cash and no one ever promised me i would make that some of money in my first week, holidays and cash has given many people financial freedom and does your boss fly you over seas??? H&C is a great way to make money i am only 21 but i have big dreams and goals and believe in multiple streams of income, and H&C is allowing me and many other young people to get to where we want to be.i think the people that have written this are just living pay cheque to pay cheque and are happy being unhappy.h&c allows you to live your dreams. thank you michael :)

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Hello Michael Faust and phoebe

 

I am pleased you are doing well with Clubfreedom.   My Clubfreedom upline members and downline members have all disappeared!   Go to http://www.permatricity.com/Faye_s_Friends.html and look at my downline and my boards - I cannot see which way to go so anyone who wants all of my Clubfreedom memberships can have them for half price.   Or make me a cash offer.

 

I have written a book May 1984 to NOW and anyone interested in Clubfreedom and Russia will find this book very interesting - just email me at  robertsonj32@tiscali.co.uk and I will email you a free copy.

Cheers    John Robertson   

 

 

 

From John Robertson

Hello Michael, Phoebe, Halifax Credit Card Provider, MBNA Credit Card Provider, Brisbane Office of Fair Trading

 

This week I tried again, this time to sell my Clubfreedom Memberships at half price.   And would you believe it – I went to my webpage http://permatricity.com/Faye_s_Friends.html to update it and announce the half price sale, clicked http://clubfreedom.biz/robertson and got, ‘Network Timeout   The server at clubfreedom.biz is taking too long to respond.’    

 

I then looked at CF Express 20th October 2009   Edition 67 and found, ‘As we reported to you in May of 2009, we moved the Clubfreedom websites to new servers. At the same time, as a security measure, we changed our domain name. As of May 26th, the new website URL is:

http://www.mytravelclub.asia/

Simply add your user name to the end of the link right after the last /(forward slash). For example, if your user name is joetravel, your new URL is: http://www.mytravelclub.asia/joetravel’

So as first forecasted by ‘Steve’ Clubfreedom has ‘disappeared into the night’

This is NOT fair trading, it is like chasing one’s shadow. 

Halifax and MBNA are quite wrong to be earning their profit from groups like those involving Ron Litherland, Michael Faust, Clubfreedom, Holidays and Cash, Ip-Commerce.Com, and mytravelclub.asia – that is where the responsibility lies.

 
Kim do_not_reply@clubfreedom.biz  emailed me on 16/7/2009
Pyramid Scheme Definition:  An illegal investment scheme in which investors are promised impossibly high returns on their investments.  A pyramid scheme is a business model that involves the exchange of money without any product or service being delivered.
 
In pyramid schemes, you cannot pass your sponsor or upline.  In Clubfreedom, hard working members can pass ANYONE.  Pyramids do not allow anyone to jump over another member.
 
We are not an investment program.  We are a travel rewards program.  We have a legitimate product.  Each member is provided with an access certificate providing them with access to discount travel.  
 
By your definition, every network marketing or multi-level marketing program is illegal and will fall apart.  This is not the case.  
 
I suggest you follow your own advice.  Handle your buyer's remorse and credit card debt the legal and legitimate way - sell your memberships.

From the above, Kim is not suggesting the access certificate to discount travel has any value, he says ‘sell your memberships’.   (pyramid/ponzi)

Well, in hindsight, I believe my 62 memberships with their access certificates are of no use to me, so if any staff member of Halifax and MBNA wants to buy my Memberships for, not half, but a quarter of US$250 each, I will gladly sell for US$62.50   The staff will have a Discount Travel Access Certificate to use - and I will have happy people in my downline.    Any reader from the public may also buy my Memberships for US$62.50  

I believe the truth is in Kim Donald’s words, ‘every network marketing or multi-level marketing program is illegal and will fall apart.’  I believe that definition applies to ALL internet network/MLM marketing and that credit card providers are well aware of the unfair trading of their marketing partners and close their eyes to it to gain their share of the fraudulent profit.

Perhaps some internet network/MLM marketing organisations are legitimate businesses, and if that is so, the Credit Card Providers should service those legitimate businesses, but it is quite illegal for Credit Card Providers to gain income by assisting fraudulent ‘here today, gone tomorrow’, internet scammers.     

 Credit Card Refunds

I ask Halifax and MBDA to refund me as previously requested.

 

     

 

 

 

 




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